Seriously, I thought that was a good rant of why some atheists speak out about SOCAS. Dude R totally misses the point and believes I am ridiculing. This is why I can't take these people seriously. They cannot deal with criticism and live in such a bubble that the atrocities their religion are expanding upon are ignored.
Did I say anything about not using Jesus's teachings as a model? Let's look at that a we closer shall we, I promise I will be quick.
Matthew 5 (for context) specifically, "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." (cf Deut 15:10, 26:6-9, Lev 19:9-10)
vs
Rep. Stephen Fincher (R-TN), ",,,the Bible also says that the poor will always be with us. And it also says if you don't work, you don't eat." (2 Thess 3:10 which is Paul, but according to my last debate partner, Paul = Jesus because Paul met Jesus or something,,,)Very Christ like wouldn't you say? Oh,,,wait,, my bad he was quoting Paul,,, my bad. I'll just ignore that and all of Paul's writings because he ain't Jesus.
And while you may believe the bible has authority in your life I, and many other nonbelievers of
your sect of Christianity, do not. Without delving into the entire SOCAS issue, we are a secular nation in regards to our government.
And, actually I find the bible and many other considered holy books fascinating and have read most of them. I just am more familiar with the bible for reasons,,,
And here it comes, the "not a true christian". For the record I was gonna get snarky and ask what flavor of Christianity but as bizarre as it sound, I think (big, I think) I might have been making some headway. (Now bear in mind when I debate such as this I do not care about my adversary but the audience. Although the group this is part of I don't think it would matter if I was debating a wall.)
What gives you the right to judge? You are using a book that tells you not to judge, to judge other
believers. And then you go on about how they are not representative your deity when Christianity as a whole doesn't even agree on the characteristics of god or what his teachings are. What's even more bizarre, the tenets concerning god are fucking spelled out in the damn book and y'all still don't agree.
J & R both show their ignorance. They both do not see how their individual personal beliefs are part of the collective. A collective that has allowed certain vocal people be their voices.
While "your" preacher-man may, on Sundays, get up and teach a happy-go-lucky sermon, did you know he stumps for a Roy Moore, M-F? Or, the little grayed haired couple in your church who want to MAGA by building a wall - that sounds so nice - we will vote for dork-face (who claims Christianity, has no political experience,e and wants to eliminate Soc Sec to do it). How bout the preacher-men who actively lobby to discriminate against LGBTQI+; to treat them as sub-human.
For contrast how bout the church who opened their arms to the "Lost Boys of Sudan". Or actively seek out refugees from Syria?
Guess what they both get their values from the same fucking god. The god in your bible. Why the disparity in interpretation, belief, and action?
As I noted, if god existed, and if god had all the wondrous attributes prescribed in the bible, then why
is the LBGTQ+ minority having to fight for basic right? Why is there such a group as BLM fighting the shooting of black men? Why teach creationism in school when we know it is a religious belief and has no place in science. If god was so powerful and so good all Christians would be on the same page. Hell all theist for that matter. But that is not the case. No the bible is not easy to understand.
You say I pick on your belief/god, that I ridicule. No I criticize. While you do not see the overall ramifications of belief I do. When you have a mouth piece like Ken ham saying the creationist fight is about authority (to discriminate), I have a problem with that. For him, it has nothing to do with science but being able to treat people like shit because he thinks his god says so. You havent even shown this god to exist.
,,,the more a culture abandons God’s Word as the absolute authority, and the more a culture accepts an evolutionary philosophy,,,Making a claim that homosexuality is a sin, or abortion is a sin and all should be punished is bulllshit. This is the downstream ramification.
I should of but didn't commended J for his stance. Why, love the sinner, hate the sin.
I am not asking anyone to be judge, I am asking people to consider the consequences of decisions they take for granted that have real world ramification. While you may not think voting for that nice christian man (who happens to believe us SNAP recipients are lazy moochers) has no consequence, it does. [I really don't think women should be in a position of power] so,,, I'll vote for this nice christian who has no political experience. While he did bankrupt five companies prior, that's OK. [Damn Bill Clinton fucking that intern],,, shall I continue. We now have a President ACCUSED of various impropriety, married 3 times but he's A-OK.
And as I have stated I listen to the crackpots, because they have the ears of our politicians. Or,,, do
you happen to follow those crackpots and think it normal? That there really is some dark Satanic pedophile ring located in the basement of some pizza parlor? Maybe you believe that former President O, funded by George Soros, is trying a coupe with his sekrit army.
I find it funny we really haven't been discussing the bible per se,,, my knowledge of such is irrelevant. It's obvious R didn't pay attention to the list of preacher-men and women I listed.And FYI its not just tv/radio preachers I listen to.
How bout my parent's preacher who, while I was visiting on their 50th, did a sermon just for me.
How homosex is wrong. Or, another time while saying what a great man Martin Luther was, forgot to mention he was anti-Semitic and Hitler gained some of his views from his writings. Is that whatt you mean?
Yea, they may be crackpots, but they do have the ears of our politicians.
Highlights the divide between religionists and those of us that believe that religion has no place in the public sphere. It boils down to this, justifying individual responsibility because "they" are instructed not to judge, by a book that they interpret as condemning homosexuality.
IOWs allowing cretins like Pence, Cruz, Bachmann and Palin (when they were in office), and the "new" batch of theocrats, dictate policy - bathroom bills, slashing SNAP and SocSec - based on flawed religious ideology (which boils all the way down to the "does god exist" debate).
They do not understand, that what is preached from the pulpit (any
pulpit) is heard and listened to. The message influences policy whether
dude 1 & 2 want to admit to it. Why the hell else would Pres. Trump
have "spiritual" advisors if it didn't? (And we all know the influence
of FOX news on Trump's decisions.)
Again, who the fuck do you think are salivating over Trump's presidency? (And for those that "know" me, I can and will listen to hundreds of hours of screeching. If this dude only knew what I listened to,,,)
Again, who the fuck do you think are salivating over Trump's presidency? (And for those that "know" me, I can and will listen to hundreds of hours of screeching. If this dude only knew what I listened to,,,)
There ya have it folks, why SOCAS is important to me. Why knowing what's in the bible is so important when you get theist who talk out both sides. Like I said, I really don't care what y'all believe but when your beliefs as a member of a collective infringes upon my right to exist,,, be prepared for some push-back.
If you think I am criticizing you, sorry. You silence implicitly endorses dick-weeds like Kent Hovind who think science is stupid -while wearing glasses.
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